The following interview
with Mae appeared in the Winter 1978 edition of A-albionic's
newsletter Conspiracy Digest, Vol. III, No. 1.
You can visit their website here.
Mae Brussell is a wellknown West Coast conspiriologist and assassination
researcher. As usual our questions are framed not to win an argument
and impress our audience, but only to bring out the views of
the interviewee most fully and accurately. So please, no letters
this time chastising me for not arguing hard enough. On the other
hand, letters of substance are welcome!
Personally, I no longer have any firm prescriptions for social
betterment. The study of conspiracy seems to indicate that the
laws of reality give the dedicated conspirators the upper hand
against anyone with any version of social reform in mind. Another
way of looking at it is that evil has a better feedback loop
than good. The loot gained by conspiracy puts power in the hands
of a few conspirators who then can undertake even vaster conspiracies
to further enhance their power. The fruits of "good"
movements, on the other hand, are widely dispersed among the
people rather than being concentrated and available for further
Perhaps this would be a good question. Do you
have any reaction?
Conspiracies and the centralization of power in the hands of
a few does present a problem when those conspirators are not
dedicated to social reforms.
There are also philosophical, literary, and
historical examples where evil does not have a better feedback
loop than good.
The laws of reality do not guarantee that power
gained from force and monopoly will be lasting or of any long
range value to those who have struggled to obtain that power.
Ralph Waldo Emerson's essay on Compensation
describes my views about evil, power, and the attempted manipulations
of mankind and nature:
imagines power and place are fine things. But the President has
paid dear for his White House. It has commonly cost him all his
peace and the best of his manly attributes. To preserve for a
short time so conspicuous an appearance before the world, he
is CONTENT TO EAT DUST BEFORE THE REAL MASTERS WHO STAND ERECT
BEHIND THE THRONE.
This law (of compensation) writes the laws
of the cities and nations. It is in vain to build or plot or
combine against it. Things refuse to be mismanaged long. Though
no checks to a new evil appear, the checks exist and will appear.
If the government is cruel, the governor's life is not safe.
If you tax too high, the revenue will yield nothing.
The dice of God are always loaded. Every secret
is told, every crime is punished, every virtue rewarded, every
wrong redressed in silence and certainty.
poet, was able to halt Goliath, the giant. Remember Achilles'
heel? Children love Popeye and instant spinach. Power comes from
many sources to counteract evil.
Evil has never had a better feedback loop than
good. The popularity of Star Wars today has to do with the longing
for heroes, the triumph of good over evil, the FORCES of good
The CIA spent $26,000,000 tax dollars over
a 25 year period with the express purpose of altering human behavior,
starting as early as 1947. All of this budget was not for defensive
purposes, but to erase memories and to cause apathy at home.
Dr. Jose Delgado, Yale University, funded by Navy Intelligence
(our tax money again), specializes in electronically controlling
human beings. We are preparing for future warfare robots. If
power and evil provide such a good feedback, why the necessity
to worry about emotions such as anxiety, guilt, or conscience?
Power is temporary and illusive. It can be
shattered by one leak or piece of evidence. One slip of scotch
tape placed on the door latch at the Watergate Hotel, Washington,
D. C. was responsible for removing the President, Vice-President,
Attorney General, Secretary of Commerce, top Presidential aides
and attorneys. No one has yet admitted who put the second tape
back on the door.
Every person with illegal secrets to hide has
been bugged, followed, and blackmailed.
The kinds of conspiracies I am talking about
pertain to political assassinations and their cover-up.
The fruits of good movements are too widely
dispersed. They receive no assistance from the Federal Government.
The FBI Cointel-Program and the CIA's Operation
Chaos have been breaking up leftist type organizations and social-cultural
activities with a purposeful vengeance (again with our tax dollars).
Divide and conquer is the rule, whether inside
the prisons or at charitable meetings. Anywhere people get together
they are infiltrated.
The ratio of agents and informants has been
about one provoceteur to five members of any given group.
There has been a systematic effort to kill
all leaders whose awareness or activities interfere with international
oil interests or narcotics traffic.
It has been alleged that the CIA-FBI combine,
in conjunction with the Defense Industrial Security Command,
has supported a school in Oaxaco, Mexico, for professional assassins.
This religious academy, disguised as a missionary, was exposed
in 1970 and might be disbanded since that date. Albert Osborne,
alias John Howard Bowan, director and head "missionary,"
accompanied Lee Harvey Oswald on his trip to Mexico in September,
1962. Oswald, not an assassin, was patsy for the men who killed
President John F. Kennedy.
The killing of Kennedy was only one of dozens
or possibly hundreds of murders of leaders around the world,
or potential future leaders.
With this kind of worldwide organization in
operation, (funded by our tax dollars, sent through various Church
fronts around the country) how can any good movements or leaders
ever serve the people?
Do you think, then, that centralization of power can be a
good thing as long as the power is held by persons selected by
the people and dedicated to what you consider to be a valid program
of social reform?
Doesn't power always corrupt? Aren't the worst
always attracted by the prospect of centralized power? Wouldn't
extreme decentralized power be the solution to conspiracy?
Centralization of power is always dangerous. What is valid social
reform to one group, such as Hitler's Germany, is genocide for
I have to agree with Thomas Jefferson's thoughts
about power, "I have never been able to conceive how any
rational being could bring happiness to himself from the exercise
of power over others."
You have to understand that my views about
power and happiness are not realistic or even possible. Utopian
dreams of a world without fear, killings, and unnecessary pains
is only a goal which makes every day a challenge, and every hour
Yes, power corrupts. The worst are attracted
by centralized power. The solution is for parents to avoid playing
power trips on their children, for the educators to stop playing
power games on the students, for the church to avoid power and
fear threats on the parishioners, and for the government to halt
dividing economic and ethnic groups against each other.
Conspiracies are possible when people have
been conspired against from birth. If parents, schools, church,
and government divested themselves of the games that increase
their power, new sources of energy and production would take
their place and do a much better job with what has to be accomplished.
What is your attitude on the Right-Left dichotomy? From your
writing I would presume that you have a "left-wing"
background and probably are favorably disposed to socialism or
"true" communism. Could you describe your social-political
ideals? Everyone knows what Mae Brussell is against. Your positive
philosophy, on the other hand, would be news to many of our readers.
My attitude on the Right-Left dichotomy should not enter into
or affect my research. When a biologist looks at cancer cells
in a microscope, they are not Republican or Democratic or Socialist
cells. There is no right-left distinction in diseases.
I examine autopsy reports, sworn testimony
under oath, Congressional Hearings, FBI, CIA, and other Government
documents, witness testimony, police reports, books, articles,
and unpublished manuscripts along with newsletters.
My conclusions about assassinations and their
cover-up are cross referenced and constantly checked for changes
or new information.
The FBI and Los Angeles Police Department have
photographs labeled that prove ten or more bullets were fired
in the Ambassador Hotel the night Sen. Robert Kennedy was killed.
Sirhan Sirhan's weapon only fires eight shots.
There is no indication or proof that any of
Sirhan's bullets went into Kennedy. The fatal shot came from
behind the Senator, into his head. A guard from Lockheed, Thane
Cesar, fired his gun that night.
The coat sleeve of Kennedy's was cut off and
The ceiling panels, in the direction of Cesar's
bullets, are gone.
Sirhan Sirhan's weapon was "sold"
and is out of the state, probably destroyed.
If the Republicans and the right-wing did the
killing and cover up, we should know.
If the Democrats or Communists did the killing
or cover-up, we should know.
L.A. Chief of Police Ed Davis, and former District
Attorney Evelle Younger, at the time of the cover-up, are both
running for Governor of California. The voters should be informed
if they were part of conspiracy to silence the murder of a Senator
and Presidential candidate.
The voters must be informed about whoever is
guilty. This has nothing really to do with Right-Left.
There are existing documents to prove the CIA-FBI
was planning the murder of Richard Nixon in 1972. Conservative
George Wallace was eliminated from the 1972 elections because
of a near assassination.
I want to know who is killing Republicans or
Conservatives as much as I want to know who is killing President
John F. Kennedy, Sen. Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, Rev. Martin
Luther King, or hundreds of others less known: witnesses to these
murders or near murders.
Everyone doesn't know what Mae Brussell is
against. If I tell you what I am against, you can deduce or know
what I am for.
I am against the planned political assassinations
by our Intelligence and Defense agents. The CIA-FBI-DIA and DISC,
Defense Industry Security Command were set up originally to protect
citizens of the USA. They became their own judges and juries,
private servants of corporations with investments at home and
I am against the constant destruction of evidence
in criminal matters and political assassinations. Prime witnesses
are murdered before or after testifying. Diaries are forged and
planted in obvious places. Doubles are created to confuse. The
Police Departments manipulate facts in cooperation with conspirators.
I am outraged that our judicial system since
1947 has been patterned after Nazi Germany. Patsies are dead
or locked away. The assassins walk the streets or leave the country,
I am against using the Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court, Earl Warren, to cover up the assassination of
President Kennedy. When the highest court is corrupt, there is
no hope at local levels.
I am against allowing the CIA to spend $25,000,000
since 1947 for the express purpose, as stated before,
to alter our behavior. Is the State supreme over individuals?
Who owns or controls our minds?
Why was CIA Director Allen Dulles allowed to
order 100,000,000 LSD tablets? Were one half the U.S. population
going to receive their doses? What gives the CIA and Pentagon
the right to define normal, or to determine what is National
Security? Are we being drugged through food, water, and supplied
with chemicals so we become slaves and robots? Where is all the
cancer coming from? Why the preoccupation with death?
Why is the U.S. Government in the business
of creating a "Psyche-civilized" world? Who is ordering
the ultrasonic waves to lower brain waves of cities' populations
to an alpha state, leaving citizens susceptible to mass propaganda
and hypnotic suggestion? These facts have been confirmed by researcher
Walter Bowart in 1977. I learned about the project years ago.
I am against the mass media, CBS, ABC, NBC,
UPI, and AP being used by Washington D.C. since WWI, and by the
CIA since WWII as pure propaganda tools. The so-called liberal
New York Times and Washington Post would make Adolf
Hitler proud. Notice that in all the Washington Post accolades
about Watergate exposures, they never delved into the massive
evidence surrounding the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne, the shooting
of George Wallace, the Howard Hughes connections, or the murder
of J. Edgar Hoover, the planned riots for Miami in 1972, the
assassination plans for Richard Nixon through both the San Diego
Secret Army Organization and the Andrew Topping arrest in New
York. The media are cover-up artists. They allow assassins or
would-be-assassins to fade away.
One thing is certain about all these matters.
The laws of nature are such that certain truths are going to
come out. It is only a matter of time.
There is no den in the wide
world to hide a rogue. Commit a crime. You cannot recall the
spoken word, you cannot wipe out the foot track, you cannot draw
up the ladder as to leave no inlet or clue. SOME DAMNING CIRCUMSTANCE
ALWAYS TRANSPIRES. The laws and substances of nature become penalties
to the thief.
philosophy is very simple. I believe there is in each of us a
potential for peace and harmony. A few power-mad perverts dictate
orders that must be challenged. They are going against the laws
A family and society that does not care for
its infants with love and affection will create and does produce
mad bombers. The source of this peace and harmony is within the
family unit, not with Government agents or law enforcement. Without
love in the home there is never quiet in the community, cities,
or around the world.
There are ways to counteract the evil being
purposely planned. Study history. Separate fears and prejudices
from facts. Recognize facts from propaganda. Invest energy in
fighting for what you believe in. Analyze harder where we are
going and what you are doing about it. What do you really believe
in? How much do we care?
Where can our readers get information on Walter Bowart's research
on the mind control uses of ultra-sonic waves and micro-waves?
Walter Bowart's book "Operation Mind Control"
will be published in the Spring, 1978.
Bowart's allegations about the CIA using ultrasonic
waves on the human brain to control the behavior pattern of entire
cities confirms information I received in 1974 about the same
A reliable source of information told me that
a radio tower and a tall bank tower in San Francisco were going
to extend a beam to have virtual radio control of that entire
city. He informed me that the radio frequencies would make meditation
impossible. The radio towers were being utilized for future control
of our minds.
The same week that I received this information,
an article in the Los Angeles Times appeared mentioning
the use of radio beams over large cities to control the population.
CONSPIRACY DIGEST has often propounded the theory that the
Right-Left political-economic spectrum is an artificial concoction
of the ruling class/conspiracy that creates a "heads I win
tails you lose" situation for the ruled class. Isn't the
choice between Communism and Fascism only a choice in style of
tyranny? Are you familiar with Antony Sutton 's Wall Street series
of books that documents that both Nazism and Soviet Communism
were financed largely by the same Wall Street cabal whose interest
was in creating the conditions for big government favoritism
as opposed to laissez-faire competition?
The choices between Fascism and Communism are not our ONLY alternatives.
Tyranny, by any name, isn't the only solution.
I am familiar with Antony Sutton's books and
own a few.
Naziism and Soviet Communism were financed
by Wall Street Cabals. They were NOT FUNDED TO SUPPORT COMMUNISM.
Money was poured in the USSR and behind the
Iron Curtain for the purpose of funding future uprisings and
Nazi agents are behind part of the KGB and
Just as Wall Street poured money in Russia
after WWI, Allen Dulles, attorney for the Wall Street Cabal,
then Director of the CIA, funded Adolf Hitler's Chief of Nazi-Eastern
Intelligence with $200,000,000 (our tax dollars once again).
Gehlen was paid for his agents behind the Iron Curtain and for
Cold War - Hot War purposes. This money does not go for Communism,
but anti-communism even though it is sent inside Communist territory.
Marina Oswald's background was White Russian
aristocracy. Marina has overwhelming links to the CIA, Defense
Industry, and General Reinhard Gehlen's agents through the CIA/Greek
Orthodox Church. Her membership in the Communist Komsomol Organization
was a leftist front that didn't fool the State Department or
violently Anti-Communist Rescue Commission that met Lee and Marina
in New York City.
The right-left political and economic spectrum
is a farce. Howard Hughes Summa Company, the South Korean KCIA,
Hughes Medical Institute, and other similar funding front operations
have bought our Congress, Republicans as well as Democrats. Those
that can't be bought are blackmailed.
On numerous occasions you refer to the Buckley school of conservatives
and his youth wing, Young Americans for Freedom, as connected
to CIA/ruling class dirty tricks and even the Kennedy Assassination.
Few conspiracy buffs would dispute the CIA-Buckley-Establishment
connection. Of course, Buckley is death on conspiracy theory,
which fails. His favorite target is "paranoids."
What do you think of the conspiracy-minded
right such as the Liberty Lobby and the John Birch Society? No
doubt you differ with their theories, but do you think they are
largely sincere? Or are they black propaganda outlets for the
Establishment? Or like many other organizations are they simply
infiltrated and used from time to time in specific black propaganda
campaigns? In one of your tapes you seemed to imply that George
Schuler's American Opinion attack on Malcolm X contained outright
lies and was timed to coincide with Malcolm's assassination.
Buckley's favorite target may be paranoids. Paranoia is a psychological
diagnosis applied to a disease of the mind. Buckley is hardly
any psychiatrist. He is a useful media showcase and propaganda
When Buckley states his opinions in writing
or on the air, he never prefaces remarks or articles by providing
facts about his CIA days with E. Howard Hunt. Few people know
that Buckley's family fortune came from Pantipec Oil Company.
E. Howard Hunt and George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald's CIA baby-sitter,
both worked under Warren Smith. Smith was President of Buckley's
Buckley not only worked with E. Howard Hunt
in the CIA, but formed the notorious YAF with Douglass Caddy,
co-worker in the CIA office of Mullen and Co. of Watergate fame.
Members of the YAF were brought from U.S. Military
Intelligence in Germany to the Dallas-Ft. Worth area in the fall
of 1962. Their object was to infiltrate and take over this conveniently
formed new organization. Orders went from Larry Schmidt, first
to arrive, that all members had to be in Dallas before JFK arrived
... for their briefings and roles to be played. There is more
to the Buckley-CIA-YAF-Caddy connections than time allows here.
Liberty Lobby and the John Birch Society accumulate
interesting facts. Their numbers are correct, but the conclusions
can't be proven and are in error.
Jimmy Carter sent a message into the new spacecraft.
He wrote that "we human beings are still divided into nation
states, but these states are rapidly becoming a single global
The Birch Society and Liberty Lobby would claim
this is proof of "one world" conspiracy of communism
and the communists are winning their goals. On the other hand,
my assessment forces me to believe the Bormann Brotherhood exists.
Hitler's goal to rule the world through satellites and weapons
is working. We are moving into the Nazification of planet earth.
Carter's Human Rights issue is a sham. He scolds
the USSR. We support and fund South Africa, Argentina, Chile,
Brazil, South Korea, Nicaragua, Iran, feudal Middle-East countries
with no trials and much torture.
George Schuler's attack upon Malcolm X, published
in American Opinion, Feb. 1973, argues that it would be
better to memorialize Benedict Arnold, a known traitor, than
Malcolm X was never a traitor to the USA.
Schuler's put down on Malcolm begins by stating
Malcolm X was once a pimp, dope peddler, ex-convict who served
ten years for robbery.
He fails to mention the murder of Malcolm's
father, the causes of his hatred and poverty, the reasons blacks
get into crime. Schuler doesn't praise Malcolm X for changing
his ways, for his eloquent self-education, for his published
lectures and writings, for his ability to raise himself above
the gutter to become an inspiration for many people.
White racists use Black fools and Jewish apologists
for much of their dirty work.
The anti-semitic YAF - John Birch Society wanted
to place an ad, "Wanted for Treason," with a black
border, into the newspapers the day JFK was assassinated in Dallas,
Texas. Members of the Birch Society paid for the ad. Neo-Nazi
Christians wrote the ad. Whose name was at the bottom, in the
newspaper Nov. 22, 1963? Jew boy Bernard Weissman. Why his name?
Weissman testified before the Warren Commission that they wanted
his name "because he was Jewish." Why did they need
a Jewish name identified with the death of JFK? Because another
Jew, Jack Rubenstein (Ruby), who always worked with the oil millionaire
anti-Semites, and wanted their approval, was also going to be
utilized to silence the patsy. No other members of the YAF were
asked to come before the Warren Commission. Why not?
A number of conspiracy researchers are suspicious of the U.S.
Labor Parry and NCLC as being funded by powerful governments
or private interests. They seem to promote some of your conspiracy
theories such as your interpretation of the Symbionese Liberation
Army kidnapping of Patty Hearst. What do you think, is Lyndon
LaRouche for real? We find it suspicious that a new world Central
Bank is the linchpin of his program. Central Banks and their
power to create money (power) by slapping ink on paper have always
been the primary tool of ruling classes. What is your opinion
of the money question?
The U.S. Labor Party always blames the CIA and Rockefeller for
everything that is wrong.
Maybe they are hitting the top dogs. It is
hard to argue that one.
However, the CIA and the Rockefellers can't
do it alone. The USLP praises Gerald Ford as a fine man. Ford
was a cover-up artist for the Warren Commission. His crime of
lies about Oswald in his book and the cover-up of hard evidence
make him guilty of crimes worse than Nixon was charged with.
Ford covered up the killings of Kennedy, Officer J. D. Tippit,
and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. Ford brought neo-Nazi G.
Gordon Liddy to Washington, D.C. to work in the Treasury Dept.
Ford pardoned Nixon because he was guilty of the same charges,
cover-up of conspiracies.
The NCLC never uses documents that prove the
Defense Industry Security Command, Division V of the FBI, and
other agencies had a part in the assassinations and conspiracies.
They were and are not interested in assassinations
inside the USA.
Political murders determine who will become
head of the Pentagon, Marines, Airforce, Navy, FBI, CIA, Treasury
Financial policies, national and international,
are controlled by corporations and individuals to make up these
multinational nation-state empires. It is the systematic
and always planned murders that control their financial
investments. I want to know who is murdering. The NCLC speak
of the condition. They can't make a proper diagnosis without
examining the deaths.
I agree with the NCLC that terrorism is being
funded by the right. This has been an historical truth, a technique
used by the Czar, then brought to Germany for the Nazis.
The SLA is the CIA. It was formed to infiltrate
the Bay Area left-wing movements and to test mind control drugs.
Lyndon LaRouche never writes about Ronald Reagan,
Robert Maheu, Howard Hughes, Paul Laxault, the Summa Company,
the Hughes Medical Institute in Florida, or others who are the
opposite side of the Rockefeller coin. There is a battle going
on between the warfare industries and war machine and the Eastern
Wall Street gang. The NCLC knows the names of some of the players.
They conspicuously omit others. Chase Manhattan Bank is named
in Solidarity. Bank of America is never fingered.
My opinion on the money question could fill
your entire issue. Profits are obtained by monopolizing what
we need; oil, coal, water, transportation, minerals, gas, food,
health, homes, entertainment, and communications (phones).
Profits are made from what we don't need; drugs,
chemicals, tobacco, narcotics, gambling, prostitution, kidnapping,
bank robberies, white collar crimes, hijacking, weapons, overcosts,
guns, warfare machinery.
Murders and assassinations that I study pertain
to those killings that served some purpose involving future
financial gains that would not have occurred without those deaths.
If the electoral system were REALLY FREE to allow people to vote
for those representatives who could alter their lives and pocketbooks,
the profits in the hands of a few would be considerably reduced.
If the Judicial system really worked, there
would be less crimes and less payoffs for murdering.
Is money the root of all evil? It comes pretty
For a given salary, the head and fingers of
SLA leader Donald DeFreeze were cut off before his body was sent
Who paid for the injections that Jack Ruby
and Martha Mitchell received? What laboratory manufactured the
What profits were made from the LSD given to
Patty Hearst while in a closet 45 days?
How were the car accidents of Murray Chotiner
and Clay Shaw financed?
What did it cost to cover up the fatal plane
crash of CIA money bagwoman Dorothy Hunt at the height of Watergate?
How much was the telephone bill from New York
City to Chicago when CBS ordered the cremation of Michelle Clark,
victim on Dorothy Hunt's plane along with 45 others?
Were Jack Ruby's debts of $40,000 to IRS before
the Kennedy assassination automatically paid when he obliged
and shot Lee Harvey Oswald?
How much tax money went to fund doubles for
Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Donald DeFreeze and James Earl
Where are the bankers who are funding violence?
Are we paying for all this, the murders, the expensive and lengthy
trials, and the silence money, from our earned tax money?
Who paid the hospital bills in Colorado for
Ditta Beard, ITT secretary, when she embarrassed President Richard
The important crises in America are what we
are doing and what we are allowing to happen.
Fascism isn't located in Bank names or bank
titles. It is what we are doing to people in front of our eyes.
According to the New York City Health Department
figures during 1976, murder was number 1 cause of death for ages
between 15-24. MURDER IS WINNING OVER DRUG ABUSE, CANCER, DISEASES,
OR ANY OTHER CAUSE.
I don't care as much about the banking houses
as I do about where money is being abused and wasted.
If we were ever to solve these crimes, we could locate which
banking houses were behind the plans.
From listening to your tapes, I seem to detect that you believe
that the Bildeberger-CIA-CFR "free world" Establishment
ruling class is Anglo-Saxon/White Racist. How do you square this
theory with the apparent pro-minority attitude of the Establishment's
kept liberals and think tank/foundations? Left-cover? Incitement
How do so many of Jewish descent become prominent
in government and finance if the ruling class is still White
Racist? How do you account for the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Schiffs,
The Bildebergers, CIA, CFR establishment ruling class is basically
Anglo-Saxon White Racist. There are a few Jewish showpieces allowed
on the fringe for entertainment or media coverage.
Racism in the USA is everywhere, in every prison,
police department, and so-called peacemaking organizations.
The Control of Candy Jones by Donald
Bain tells how a New York model was taken by the CIA, injected
with sodium pentathol, and hypnotized. Candy was then taught
to hate Blacks, Jews, and Italians. Why? Why were our tax dollars
(I keep repeating this because it makes me furious that we are
funding these crimes) used to further hatred? How many more Candy
Joneses were taught to hate? Candy joined the CIA to deliver
messages and ended up with two personalities inside her head.
There is no pro-minority attitude on the part
of the Establishment. That is so foolish that I wonder what kind
of vacuum you are coming from. Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, and Indians
are not part of the mainstream of white USA. They are on the
A few Jews such as the Rothschilds, Warburgs,
and Schiffs are always the token names for a gentile society.
They do not represent assimilation or a symbol of Jew-Christian
Henry Kissinger is a different story. Kissinger
was developed by the U.S. Army Intelligence following World War
II. Kissinger worked in counter-intelligence. Many Christian
agents were assuming names of Jews killed in the concentration
How is it possible that Jewish Henry Kissinger
became the darling protégé of the Rockefeller,
Exxon, Standard Oil?
Kissinger has been photographed kissing Anwar
Sadat in Egypt. Sadat has been described as part of Hitler's
Would oil magnates, with their anti-Semitic
clubs and multimillion investments, allow Jew-Kissinger to make
deals and contracts with oil giants in the Middle-East?
Why does the Shah of Iran, a Moslem, work with
Kissinger so well?
Kissinger put Nazis into power in Greece, Brazil,
Chile. They love him. When Hitler's $400,000,000 cash went into
Argentina, did they know that Kissinger would be heading our
State Department and National Security Council?
No Jew would be allowed to be in charge of
the Pentagon, National Security of the United States. The CIA
is a racist organization.
All of this is impossible!!! Kissinger's Jewish
cover conceals the Rockefeller and Wall Street bankers who are
Isn't it possible that all racial-ethic issues are simply
manipulated to keep the ruled class fighting among themselves?
It seems incredible to me that men (or women) with the intelligence
(if evil intelligence) to conspiratorially rule nations (and
maybe even the world) would be so petty-minded as to be racists.
What is your reaction?
Racial and ethic issues are not manipulated to keep the ruled
class fighting among themselves. Racism is taught from an early
age. White men and women fear they will lose their jobs, and
also lose their possessions in a competitive market with minorities.
There must have been a lot of anger accumulated
in blacks after slavery which the white man feared might become
unleashed. The way to control this situation was and is by continuing
hatreds, getting more police, rigging the courts to keep minorities
locked up, send narcotics in the ghetto for submission, exclusion
from the labor unions and labor market, and many other techniques.
You know what they are.
I agree that race prejudice exists to one degree or another
at most levels of U.S. society. However, it seems to me that
the majority working classes are the most racist because they
fear competition for jobs from Blacks and Mexicans.
The ruling class, especially the Eastern Wall
Street gang that controls the "liberal" CBS/ABC/NBC/New
York Times/Washington Post, really seems to take the side of
minorities. Is this just fake propaganda to rake in minority
The majority of the working classes are not the most racist against
each other. Competition for jobs between Indians, Blacks and
Chicanos is caused by a racist power structure in this country
that refuses to allow jobs in the first place.
Labor Unions exclude minorities. Medical schools
and law schools could be increased by the hundreds instead of
bickering over a particular student's grades.
IQ tests have been proven to be racist, thereby
dropping off otherwise qualified students.
Every white doctor that receives $100,000 a
year could earn $25,000 and allow three blacks to also earn the
By keeping minorities out of professions, except
entertainment and athletics, the white community can keep their
residential areas white, their schools white, their churches
white, and perpetuate the racism. There is no need for fences
or ID cards as in South Africa.
Law Enforcement, Sheriffs, and government agencies
such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, DISC are predominantly white.
We could write an entire issue of CONSPIRACY
DIGEST about our differences regarding CBS, ABC, NBC, New
York Times, and Washington Post.
Where do you ever get the label "liberal"
for these people?
How can you possibly say they take the side
of minorities? When? Where? How?
I subscribe to these newspapers and want to
puke. I have boycotted major network news coverage since I studied
political assassinations because of their lies, distortions,
half truths, insinuations, and massive cover-ups.
The United States press doesn't fake propaganda.
They don't even appeal to minorities. To hell with minority votes.
These maniacs support military dictatorships and fascism the
USA instituted since World War II. They treat the CIA and heads
of state as if they were some kind of royalty instead of the
war criminals they really are.
Several right-wing authors have theorized that the main conflict
in the world is or was the battle between Wasp and Jewish financiers.
Or, more simply, that the history of the 2Oth Century is primarily
Rockefeller (Standard Oil) vs. Rothschild (Royal Dutch Shell)
bottle to control governments and resources. Do you think there
is anything to theories?
What do you think about the Cowboy-Yankee War
by Carl Oglesby? Your research would seem to support the theory
that Nixon as an agent of the new wealth "Cowboy" capitalist
faction (Hughes?) was finally done in by old wealth "Yankee"
capitalist faction (Rockefeller-Rothschild) at Watergate.
The main conflict in the world is not between Wasp and Jewish
The battle of Cowboy vs. Yankee, Carl Oglesby's
theories, are oversimplified. There is no way to mark off geographical
boundaries or to separate fighting factions into such categories.
What we are experiencing are a series of revolutions
taking place at the same time. Some of them are political. Others
are cultural and social.
While these changes have been occurring in
the 20th century, the old feudal monopolies, economically dependent
upon empires, have been grasping for control of sources of power
and wealth (listed earlier as sources of profit).
Three good books that describe the origins
for our current moral and financial bankruptcy are The Great
Conspiracy by Michael Sayers and Albert E. Kahn, Merchants
of Death by H. C. Egglebrecht, and Weimar Republic, Clandestine
Rearmament by E. J. Gumbel.
Following World War I, the allied armies were
afraid to disarm German militarism because of fear that Bolshevism
was spreading and might go throughout Europe.
The solution was the secret, clandestine army,
Secret Police SS, and a series of over 400 murders that altered
the face of Germany.
U.S. Corporations and Wall Street, along with
France and England, began arming Germany.
World War I had mobilized 66,103,164 men. 37,494,186
were killed. Indirect costs were $151,000,000,000. Direct costs
The propaganda myth of the "menace of
Bolshevism" put Nazis in power. Adolf Hitler, hypnotized
front man for the warfare industries and corporations, was to
rid Europe of Bolshevism.
When World War II was over, and the Communists
were still very much alive, the SAME CORPORATIONS AND MULTINATIONAL
COMPANIES THAT ARMED GERMANY AFTER WWI... sent the Nazis and
war criminals with their money, counterfeit or otherwise, into
the USA, Middle East, Asia, Africa, and South America.
Allen Dulles, attorney for Wall Street, made
the arrangements for the Nazis' exit. He became the first director
of the CIA in 1947, now patterned after the illegal rearming
of the Weimar Republic.
All of the divisions and decoys we fall into,
all the categories of conflicts, never follow history or documents
day by the day to see why we are having so many assassinations
642 Nazis were brought to our defense industries,
universities, and hospitals from 1945- 1952 under Project Paperclip.
World War II cost 80,000,000 deaths. The cost
went up. The rearming for World War III began as early as 1945
when the decision was made to protect the doctors and scientists
Hitler used and to continue their experimentations and weapons
systems in the USA.
The real battle now is whether or not it is
too late to stop this country from going Fascist.
If Arab investors, funded by Nazis, withdraw
their savings from U.S. banks, the USA will become instantly
Nazi General Reinard Gehlen had the solution
for conquered USSR territory.
Gehlen was going to turn 50 million Russians
into slaves "in accordance with Aryan racial principals,
to become sub humans."
Some "forty million Soviet Citizens would
be eliminated by natural means, namely famine." This is
the same Gehlen that Allen Dulles provided $200,000,000 of our
tax dollars. Yes! Add it up. Are we getting our money's worth?
(Gehlen, Spy of the Century, E. H. Cookridge)
It is easier to understand droughts, famines,
terrorism, new kinds of diseases, rare cancers, mind control
experiments, stock manipulations, labor strikes and other unpleasant
"accidents" of nature in the USA after studying the
history of Nazism.
How much conflict do you see in the ruling class? Some conspiriologists
think it is all fake, a diversion.
The conflict in the ruling class is between those who are elected
and appointed to rule, and those who are acting illegally to
condition us for the next war or series of wars.
We are identical to Germany in 1932. Salvadore
Allende had to put up with strikes and the raging of the Chilean
citizens who turned out to be paid by the CIA (over 8 million
dollars to disrupt his country).
Nothing is natural today. Billions are going
into creating divisions, terror, to make headlines, to spread
confusion and fear.
If any officials come along with independence
or suggestions they are killed, blackmailed, ignored, surreptitiously
drugged, paid off, or bugged. To make changes today is to enter
into an obstacle course.
The Intelligence Community and those people
doing all this manipulating for their power and wealth are moving
against the laws of nature. Something must give. Our institutions
should be re-examined. Individuals must come forward with enough
courage to support investigators like myself who are armed with
facts and information.
As Emerson said, "That form of government
which prevails is the expression of what civilization exists
in the population which permits it."
Many conspiriologists point the finger at David Rockefeller
as the most powerful financial conspirator in America and maybe
the world. Do you agree? What about Hughes, H. L. Hunt? Others?
Is Chase-Manhattan really going broke?
Rockefeller might be the most powerful financial conspirator
in America. Howard Hughes and H. L. Hunt are dead. Daniel Ludwig
Rockefeller managed to keep their boy Kissinger
running all our foreign policies in every country while their
Exxon stayed on top, #1 Corporation for profits. Nice arrangement!!
That is power. The Bildebergers select our
Is Ronald Reagan a member of the Bildeberger
I believe that the pecking order for front
man Presidents always was Nixon, Agnew, then Reagan. Carter is
an interim after Watergate.
If Ronald Reagan were to become President because
of Carter's death, would the Rockefellers be powerful any more?
Where would the power be transferred? To the
Pentagon and away from Wall Street.
The power is in a silencer, secret weapon,
possible drugs to make Carter ill. It comes in many forms. This
is a battle royal between two kings, the Rockefeller Dynasty
and the Weapons-warfare, clandestine government the Rockefellers
created originally for their own power.
CIA agent John Connally, one of the most powerful
men in the world, named as part of the DISC, FBI combine that
covered up the JFK assassination, is opening funding offices
for Reagan in D.C.
Can the Rockefellers survive? Are they part
of a dying era, identical to Kaiser Wilhelm? Is the AMMUNITION
INDUSTRY READY TO TAKE OVER THE USA? That is where the power
struggle is taking place.
The Eastern Wall Street International banks
created spies and weapons to march in order to protect their
profits. The armies turned against their masters. They decided
they could create their own wealth and power. New York is crumbling.
The Pentagon is stronger than ever. Yale, Harvard, Princeton,
and the top Eastern Universities haven't produced a new idea
or a constructive change for all their classical education. They
have been swallowed by Pentagon and spy contracts. The USA looks
like a dance of death in every major city.
Unless I am misreading you, you seem to have some real respect
for John F. Kennedy. Is there any reason to believe that his
idealistic line was for real? Wasn't he just another glib gangster
that lost? Do you agree with Oglesby that he was an agent of
the old Wall Street Eastern Establishment (as was his Nazi leaning
father) and that his assassination was plotted by Southern Rim
Yes, I do have a respect for John F. Kennedy.
If you don't believe his idealistic line was
for real, just add up what he was doing when he was killed.
JFK asked his brother, Attorney General Robert
Kennedy, to break up organized crime. Nobody high up in government
has tangled the Mafia. J. E. Hoover, the FBI, CIA hired crime
members as part of assassination teams. They were used by the
FBI and CIA since World War II.
JFK was attempting to end the oil-tax depletion
rip-offs, to get tax money from oil companies.
JFK instituted the nuclear test ban treaty,
often called "the kiss of death," to oppose the Pentagon.
JFK called off the Invasion of Cuba. He allowed
Castro to live, antagonized narcotics and gambling, oil and sugar
interests, formerly in Cuba.
JFK asked his brother, Attorney General Robert
Kennedy, to break up the CIA, the "hidden government behind
my back." Allen Dulles was fired. The attorney for international
multinationals, Dulles, was angry.
JFK planned to withdraw troops from Vietnam
after 1964 elections. Nov. 24, 1963, two days after JFK's burial,
the Pentagon had escalated the Vietnam war ... with no known
provocations, after JFK was gone.
There was no chance Kennedy could survive antagonizing
the CIA, oil companies, Pentagon, organized crime. He was not
The assassination of JFK utilized some people
from the Texas-Southwest. It was not a Southern plot. Upstarts
could not have controlled the Northern CIA, FBI, Kennedy
family connections. This was a more detailed, sophisticated conspiracy
that was to set the pattern for future murders to take place.
The murder was funded by Permindex,
headquarters in Montreal and Switzerland. Their stated purpose
was to encourage trade between nations in the Western world.
Their actual purpose was fourfold:
1) To fund
and direct assassinations of European, Mid-East and world leaders
considered threats to the Western World, and to Petroleum Interests
of their Backers.
couriers, agents for transporting and depositing funds through
Swiss Banks for Vegas, Miami, and International gambling syndicate.
the espionage activities of the White Russian Solidarists and
Division V of the FBI, headed by William Sullivan.
4) Build and
acquire, operate hotels and gambling casinos. Nomenclature
of an Assassination Cabal by William Torbitt.